Financial Burden of Medical Spending by State and the Implications of the 2014 Mediciaid Expansions is the latest report from the Affordable Care Act implementation monitoring and tracking initiative funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. (Direct link to PDF of report.) I spoke with Tim Waidmann, Senior Fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute, an author of the report. Please listen in:
The audio file of my interview with Tim Waidmann (about 20 minutes long) is available for download/podcast, or may be played here:
Tim Waidmann - Urban Institute - Medicaid Expansion
A full transcript is available as a PDF (Tim Waidmann interview) and is reproduced below.
The Census Bureau has made these researchers' lives easier by collecting data that allows for the running of a natural experiment that answers the question: How will implementation of the ACA affect the percentage of household income spent on health care by low-income Americans? One of the interesting points highlighted by Waidmann is that the state in which the highest proportion of low-income household income is spent on health care (surprise: Nevada!) is not the state in which Medicaid coverage is least comprehensive, the state in which health care is most expensive, or the state with the greatest prevalence of poverty (though some of those states show up in the top ten).
All of the states with health care access and payment problems for low-income residents would be well-advised to consider the opportunities to expand coverage under the ACA Medicaid expansion provisions. Some -- including a couple at the top of Waidmann's list, as of this writing -- remain dead-set against the Medicaid expansion program (though most of the states that challenged the ACA are more than willing to accept the increased FFP for the Medicaid expansion to cover residents at up to 133% of the Federal poverty level, to the relief of the membership of their local hospital associations and other providers, which have been providing free care to folks who will be the beneficiaries of the Medicaid expansion). Some are exploring opportunities for creative alternatives to Medicaid expansion per se: Consider the Arkansas premium support plan, which will use Medicaid expansion dollars to buy private health insurance for those who would otherwise be eligible to enroll in an expanded Medicaid program.
If you're looking for a scorecard, you can follow state-by-state Medicaid expansion activity at statereforum.org.
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Interview of Timothy Waidmann, Senior Fellow, Health Policy Center, Urban Institute
April 3, 2013
David Harlow: This is
David Harlow at HealthBlawg. Today I’m
speaking with Timothy Waidmann at the Urban Institute and with Kyle Caswell as
well. Tim is a senior fellow in the Health Policy
Center at the Urban
Institute, where Kyle is a Research Associate.
They are co-authors of a report on Medicaid released yesterday funded by
the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation as part of the Affordable Care Act Implementation,
Monitoring and Tracking Initiative. The
report is titled, Financial Burden of Medical Spending by State and the
Implications of the 2014 Medicaid Expansions.
Welcome Tim and Kyle and thank you for speaking with us.
Tim Waidmann: Thank
you. It’s a pleasure.
Kyle Caswell: Thanks.
David Harlow: So, the
title of the report you’ve just released is a bit dense and I wonder if you
could unpack it a bit for us before diving in.
Tim Waidmann: Let me
look at the title again.
David Harlow: The Financial
Burden of Medical Spending by State and the Implications of the 2014 Medicaid Expansions.
Tim Waidmann: Right. So, the basic idea of this report is that we
study how much income the non-elderly population devotes to medical spending
and we look at that state-by-state. And
the idea is by looking at this variation and then focusing in on a low income
population in particular, we hope to learn what state’s decisions about whether
or not to expand their Medicaid programs as part of the Affordable Care Act. What implications those decisions might have
for their own populations. So, this is,
if a state has a particularly high level of burden of medical care spending,
it’s likely that expanding Medicaid will have a larger beneficial impact than a
state that has relatively low level of financial burden, so that’s kind of the –
what we are trying to tease out of the data was a comparison along those lines.
David Harlow: Are
there other takeaways from the report?
Tim Waidmann: Well, the
first cut of this was just to look, I mean, this is relatively new data source
with which we can do this kind of study.
The Current Population Study is a nationwide large survey that has
samples in every state and it allows us to look down at even small states and
say, to get some idea of population characteristics and a couple of years ago
they added to the survey a question or a couple of questions on how much people
spend out of pocket on premiums and other expenditures for their healthcare, so
whether co-pays or co-insurance, payments, deductibles, those kinds of things. And so, the first cut at this was just to
look overall, the whole population -- and we focused on non-elderly because
Medicare is just sort of different word for medical spending. But, excluding that population, we’re able to see
of quite a bit of variation from state-to-state in how burdensome medical care
is to the typical family and to the typical person. So, for example, a typical person in New York say, in the State of New York spends about 2% of their total
family income on medical care. But in Idaho,
the typical person spends more than twice as much as a share of their income and
they spend about 5% of their annual income on healthcare. So, that’s just, you know, the typical person
in the middle of the distribution.
David Harlow: So,
that’s in the general non-elderly population?
Tim Waidmann: Yeah.
David Harlow: And is
the spread the differential as pronounced for the Medicaid population?
Tim Waidmann: So, in
fact, it’s even greater for the low-income population, which we focus in on
later, but when you look, you know, if staying with the general population, if
you look at, if you say well, the typical person doesn’t really use a lot of
medical care, what about the sort of higher-spending group and these differences
that we see at the median persist and even grow, if you look at the top half of
the spending – of the burden distribution.
And again, you just compare typical -- the 75th percentile -- think
about the typical person in the top half of the burden distribution. In Idaho that person spends 11% of income,
while in New York they spend around 6, 6.5%.
So, these differences that appear in one part of the distribution seem
to carry through the rest of the distribution as well, that indicates…
David Harlow: And by
the higher percentile of the burden distribution you’re referring to someone who
is making greater use of the healthcare system?
Tim Waidmann: Well,
it’s sort of relative to income.
David Harlow: Yes.
Tim Waidmann: So that
if you think of, what someone can expect to spend out of their take home pay or
out of their total income, this suggests that someone in Idaho should expect to
spend about twice as much of their income as someone in New York would spend.
David Harlow: So,
would you characterize these data as surprising? When we think of New York,
California, a couple of other locations, Massachusetts where I am, as being
high cost centers for healthcare. Are
you saying that they may be high cost, but they’re not necessarily high cost
relative to income?
Tim Waidmann: So
that’s right, you pick up on a very important point that this measure of financial
burden has both the spending component and an income component. And a state could appear to be a very high
burden state just because it’s a low income state. And, if people have the same medical care
needs, but lower income, their burden would appear to be higher. And so, that – those same differences that
would be apparent between individuals who show up across the states, so low
income states are more likely to show high burden than high income states. But then, the other factor that matters and varies
from state-to-state as you mentioned is that health care costs more in some
states than it does in others. And so, two
states that have similar levels of income, but different levels of medical care
costs will also show up as having different levels of financial burden.
David Harlow: So,
let’s look at perhaps some of the states that we think of as having particular
problems in this area -- and whose Governors had at least initially said that they
would not buy into the Medicaid expansion.
I’m thinking off the top of my head of places like Louisiana,
Mississippi, where also traditional state level Medicaid coverage is rather slim.
Tim Waidmann: Right.
David Harlow: So that
there is probably a higher burden now for lower income folk in those states.
Tim Waidmann: So, if you
look specifically at the low income population, which is where we wanted to get
to, the differences across states just seem to grow quite a bit. But, in every state the average amount that a
low income household spends on healthcare is going to be higher as a percentage
of income than high income households. But,
the sort of range that we see between low income folks in some states and other
states is quite dramatic. And then, if
you then further focus in on, you know, the population who doesn’t have
Medicaid, the low income population that doesn’t have Medicaid -- that’s kind
of where I think the policy implication is strongest and you mentioned
Louisiana, Mississippi as two examples and they happen to be, you know, if you
look at the top five states nationwide in terms of the share of their population
who is low income and doesn’t have Medicaid and has high medical care burden, those
two are among those top five.
Nevada is actually the state with the highest fraction of its
population, who is not covered by Medicaid, has high burden and low income. But Nevada has decided that it’s going to go
ahead with the Medicaid expansion. So,
what we would expect is that, you know, among these states that currently have
– appear to have – a large portion of population who would be affected by the
expansion, some of these states who go ahead with the expansion, we expect them
to reduce their place on this ranking. So,
Nevada, we expect to fall -- once it expands its Medicaid program -- out of
this top five, while Louisiana and Mississippi we expect will likely stay as high
burden states for their low income population.
David Harlow: Right, unless
they do accede to some pressures from the hospital industry and others, who
would like to see some of their free care get reimbursed, which they would do if
they had the Medicaid expansion in place.
Tim Waidmann: And so,
I mean, it’s interesting among these top five states that we have found. There were two, Nevada and Montana, who have
agreed to expansion, two have said no to expansion so far, and one -- in Arkansas
-- that has said yes to an expansion sort of, that would like to use a private,
use the exchange system to expand coverage to this low income population. And so, you could sort of think of this as an
intermediate case, you know, it would be interesting to see what happens to a
measure like this. If the private
version of the Medicaid expansion looks like Medicaid in that it has very low
or zero cost-sharing requirements of its beneficiaries, I would expect that it will
– what will happen in Arkansas will look very much like what happens in states
that have full public expansion in Medicaid.
David Harlow: And so that
would be private pay, in the Arkansas model?
Tim Waidmann: If what
happens is that beneficiaries are fully subsidized to join private plans, you could
imagine that they’ll see very little difference between that and in public
sector Medicaid expansion. But if they’re
required to – if what happens is that they get some subsidies for enrolling in a
private plan that doesn’t fully cover their expenses then it may well be that they
don’t reduce this burden.
David Harlow: Right. I had understood that there were not a whole
lot of waivers available in order to reconfigure the way in which the Medicaid
expansion would work, so that federal dollars would not necessarily be
available for private premiums versus reimbursement of additional Medicaid
Tim Waidmann: Yeah, I
mean, I think that, I was a little surprised that how quickly they seemed to –
the federal government quickly seemed to agree to a private version of covering
this population in some form. So, it
will be interesting to see what happens there.
David Harlow: Sure …
50 laboratories, as they say.
Tim Waidmann: Yeah, that’s
true. One of the key takeaways for us, I think was that, you know, we see where
the world or where the states line up now before the ACA is fully implemented
and this is kind of an ideal from a social science perspective experiment that we
have 50 different approaches and we’ve got the state of the world before
implementation and it’ll be a good sort of natural experiment to see what
David Harlow: Sure. And, you have a good level of confidence in the
data source that you are using in terms of the sort of self-reported statements
that you described?
Tim Waidmann: Well, you
know, Kyle actually is one of the people who did a study comparing this data
source to other established sources and I think the Census Bureau folks, which
is where Kyle was before he joined us, are fairly satisfied with the quality of
this data. And it was a boon to us in the
health services research world that CPS added this question. And I think we’re beginning to see the
usefulness of it in some of these research projects we have undertaken.
David Harlow: Sure. I
imagine you have a cache of some other questions that you’d love to see added
to that questionnaire as well.
Tim Waidmann: We have
endless sets of questions that we would like to see added, but the Census
Bureau is very careful with expanding that survey. I think they are worried
about burdening their respondents too much and I think rightly so. This has
been a great source of information even before this, even before these
questions were added, especially on estimating coverage differences across
states. But, we’re just happy that they
were able to add this most recently.
David Harlow: Great. So, how does this piece of work fit in with
the other work that you have been doing about the roll-out of the Affordable
Tim Waidmann: Well,
you know, I think that we’ve also, using other data sources, looked at
differences in access to care across states and differences in coverage across
states, and kind of also trying to get a sense of where the world is before the
ACA gets into full swing. And, you know,
I think that we find similar amounts of variation in the use of – in access to
basic healthcare and in the use of preventive services, I think that these findings
here -- I think, from what I remember other members of our staff here have
worked on that, but preventive care differences have been a little less
dramatic, but certainly access to basic care does appear to have a bit of
variation from state-to-state. And we
expect as coverage is expanded through both Medicaid and the exchanges and
other methods, we expect some of those differences and access to care to shrink,
but we’ll see what happens.
David Harlow: Right. Well
again, Tim and Kyle, thank you very much for joining me today. It’s been a very interesting conversation for
me and I hope for our listeners and readers.
And again, this is David Harlow at HealthBlawg. Thank you very much.
Tim Waidmann: Thank
you, it’s been pleasure.